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[O] Oracle - OE Failing To Display Posts
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Geoff Field
2007-09-29 04:42:42 UTC
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I'm currently trying to catch up on my AFP posts, using
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180. I also have OE-QuoteFix
installed. After about 50-60 posts, the colouration from
OE-QuoteFix disappears, the "unread messages" count
stops counting down and eventually the "next" message
comes up with a notice saying "Unable To Display The
Message". Restarting OE enables a few dozen more
messages to be read, then it happens again.

I tried uninstalling all plugins to no effect.

I update my system regularly, scan with both SpyBot S&D
and Ad-Aware (as well as my McAffee virus scanner).

Any ideas on what might be causing this (or should I
search the MS Knowledge Base)?

Other than switching to ThunderBird or some other
client (which I plan to do as soon as I've caught up),
what should I do about it?

Geoff
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Geoff Field
2007-09-29 06:30:02 UTC
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Post by Geoff Field
I'm currently trying to catch up on my AFP posts, using
Outlook Express 6.00.2900.2180. I also have OE-QuoteFix
installed. After about 50-60 posts, the colouration from
OE-QuoteFix disappears, the "unread messages" count
stops counting down and eventually the "next" message
comes up with a notice saying "Unable To Display The
Message". Restarting OE enables a few dozen more
messages to be read, then it happens again.
I tried uninstalling all plugins to no effect.
I update my system regularly, scan with both SpyBot S&D
and Ad-Aware (as well as my McAffee virus scanner).
Any ideas on what might be causing this (or should I
search the MS Knowledge Base)?
Other than switching to ThunderBird or some other
client (which I plan to do as soon as I've caught up),
what should I do about it?
I've just installed Thunderbird. How the heck do I
make it stop asking me if I want to subscribe to
alt.fan.pratchett?

I keep hitting "Yes", then it shows ALL the messages
in the group as new. When I hit "No" it shows nothing.
Is there a better client? (Yes, I know this has been asked
before, but part of my attempts to get OE working properly
caused all messages to be lost.)

Geoff
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Richard Heathfield
2007-09-29 06:38:10 UTC
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Geoff Field said:

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Post by Geoff Field
I've just installed Thunderbird. How the heck do I
make it stop asking me if I want to subscribe to
alt.fan.pratchett?
I keep hitting "Yes", then it shows ALL the messages
in the group as new. When I hit "No" it shows nothing.
Why not just hit "Yes" and then select all the messages, and mark them as
read? Okay, you might mark a few that you haven't actually read, but you
could sort on date to give you a chance to play catch-up if you feel the
need. But afp is relatively quiet right now, so I don't think you'd miss
much if you simply grabbed the lot, marked them, drew a line (so to speak)
on the calendar, and started reading articles from that point onwards.
Post by Geoff Field
Is there a better client?
All the clients you're not using are better than the one you *are* using,
because they aren't giving you any trouble right now. :-)

Thunderbird is a good client - better than OE, at any rate - and it's worth
persevering with it.
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Geoff Field
2007-09-29 06:43:03 UTC
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Post by Richard Heathfield
<snip>
Post by Geoff Field
I've just installed Thunderbird. How the heck do I
make it stop asking me if I want to subscribe to
alt.fan.pratchett?
I keep hitting "Yes", then it shows ALL the messages
in the group as new. When I hit "No" it shows nothing.
Why not just hit "Yes" and then select all the messages, and mark
them as read?
I tried exactly that several times, but Thunderbird *keeps* asking
me if I want to subscribe and _continues_ re-displaying ALL
messages as unread.
Post by Richard Heathfield
Okay, you might mark a few that you haven't actually
read, but you could sort on date to give you a chance to play
catch-up if you feel the need. But afp is relatively quiet right now,
Yes, only about 200 messages a day ;-)
Post by Richard Heathfield
so I don't think you'd miss much if you simply grabbed the lot,
marked them, drew a line (so to speak) on the calendar, and started
reading articles from that point onwards.
That's an idea
Post by Richard Heathfield
Post by Geoff Field
Is there a better client?
All the clients you're not using are better than the one you *are*
using, because they aren't giving you any trouble right now. :-)
Silly question, wasn't it? ;-)
Post by Richard Heathfield
Thunderbird is a good client - better than OE, at any rate - and it's
worth persevering with it.
I do enough geeking at work. I was hoping to avoid doing too much
more at home.

Geoff
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Len Oil
2007-09-29 13:09:39 UTC
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Post by Geoff Field
I tried exactly that several times, but Thunderbird *keeps* asking
me if I want to subscribe and _continues_ re-displaying ALL
messages as unread.
Not sure if this is what you want (it's a while since I migrated) but
try Right-click on group, Properties, Offline tab, Select this newsgroup
for offline use, Download now. This might solve your problem, or it
might be something completely different/that you have already done.


And I sort of miss the same "synch all" functionality[1] as OE had.
There's an icon in the extreme left of the lower status bar that
(currently, for me) says "You are offline. Click to go online." which,
when pressed will send any messages waiting in the Outbox,
appropriately[2]. Then when online, click again to go back offline and
it gives you an option[2] to download everything. Which you can read
'offline', regardless of your net status.

That's the way I do it (which explains why sometimes my messages
sometimes come through even more asynchronously, compared to the
time-stamp, than you would expect from general propagation times),
though Ctrl-Shift-T is apparently one (not-going-offline) alternative to
getting all messages refreshed.



I like Thunderbird, but you may /have/ to get used to some niggles, only
some of which have ended up in (long, I'm so sorry) footnotes to this
post. This is one reason why it took around 12 months from when I first
experimented with Thunderbird to give it a serious go, and even then I
was mainly reading in parallel with OE to get used to the various ways
it differs.




[1] For which I've never quite found the same kind of thing via inbuilt
options or plugins, plus it has other annoying habits[3][4][5][6] that I
can't seem to resolve, but that I get around.

[2] Unless you have configured it to always/never do so, in the options,
and not to ask.

[3] A downloaded message, perfectly readable, /cannot/ be opened as
"View | Message Source (Ctrl-U)" while offline, because it ignores any
local copy (that normal reading will use) and tries to look at the
server. (This proven by disconnecting the whole computer, while
Thunderbird thinks it is still online and getting a "cannot connect"
message instead of a 'blank' source.)

[4] If, while still in the middle of 'synching' a group, in the midst of
"going off-line", you click on that group, it stops downloading messages
from that, and leaves you with "This message is not available" on any
remaining ones. To resolve, you need to re-open (or re-preview) the
message whilst Thunderbird is (knowingly) online again, it downloads
permanently and all is sorted.

[5] The absolutely most annoying habit is that it treats the ABP
download completely different from the AFP one. Despite being exactly
the same in all settings I have checked (including "Don't delete any
messages" in the Retention Policy for the group, it /still/ manages to
perma-delete, and disavow all knowledge of, any message that has been
marked read and then disappears from the online tree (change to new
group and back, or even collapse the thread that it is buried within and
then expand once more).

[6] The editor has a funny little quirk. You expect that when you
cursor beyond the end of the visible part of the pane that it scrolls
the extra line(s) it needs to. But sometimes there are 'points' in the
document[7] where a sudden scroll can occur (quite disconcertingly)
without any need to.

[7] In this one, somewhere in the "not-going-offline" mentioned in the
penultimate non-footnote paragraph, also "plugins" in the first
footnote. The former seemed to (generally) want to scroll when there
are less than six lines above it when you cursor (forwards) through it,
while it is near the top, the latter created a lot more space below when
scrolling up through it (and it was near the bottom). Though it's hard
to duplicate. Lengthening this message seems to have removed this
behaviour, though while the "n-g-o" quote within this very footnote was
the very bottom line, scrolling through it 'juddered' the editing
canvas, as if it was trying to scroll down (giving it a few more lines
visible beneath it) but then reverted because there /were/ no more
lines. Now it isn't so strictly at the very bottom, having written
this extra text, but if there are less than seven full lines below it,
and you cursor across it (from the '"' to the space, cursoring right, or
from the 'o' to the '-' cursoring left) it will jump to give you those
seven lines. Only now it has stopped again. It has not escaped my
notice that "plugins" and "offline" are words that the spill-chucker
underlines, and thus I suspect some kind of causal link between the
editing and spill-chucking sub-subsystems. Although the phenomenon
comes and goes, repeatable at times, then vanishing for no immediately
obvious reason, so it's hard to pin down whether it would/could happen
to /every/ unrecognised word, and I haven't ruled out whether it could
happen to words that are not highlit.
Geoff Field
2007-09-29 19:52:50 UTC
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Thanks for your helpful reply Len,
Post by Len Oil
Post by Geoff Field
I tried exactly that several times, but Thunderbird *keeps* asking
me if I want to subscribe and _continues_ re-displaying ALL
messages as unread.
Not sure if this is what you want (it's a while since I migrated) but
try Right-click on group, Properties, Offline tab, Select this
newsgroup for offline use, Download now.
That's in progress now - about a third of the way through AFP.
Post by Len Oil
This might solve your
problem, or it might be something completely different/that you have
already done.
Probably the multiple accounts I tried to set up on the same server.
Post by Len Oil
And I sort of miss the same "synch all" functionality[1] as OE had.
File->Get New Messages For->Get All New Messages ?

Or is that just for mail?
Post by Len Oil
There's an icon in the extreme left of the lower status bar that
(currently, for me) says "You are offline. Click to go online."
which, when pressed will send any messages waiting in the Outbox,
appropriately[2]. Then when online, click again to go back offline
and it gives you an option[2] to download everything. Which you can
read 'offline', regardless of your net status.
Cool.
Post by Len Oil
That's the way I do it (which explains why sometimes my messages
sometimes come through even more asynchronously, compared to the
time-stamp, than you would expect from general propagation times),
though Ctrl-Shift-T is apparently one (not-going-offline) alternative
to getting all messages refreshed.
I'll watch out for that.
Post by Len Oil
I like Thunderbird, but you may /have/ to get used to some niggles,
only some of which have ended up in (long, I'm so sorry) footnotes to
this post. This is one reason why it took around 12 months from when
I first experimented with Thunderbird to give it a serious go, and
even then I was mainly reading in parallel with OE to get used to the
various ways it differs.
I suspect I'll do something similar, frankly.
Post by Len Oil
[3] A downloaded message, perfectly readable, /cannot/ be opened as
"View | Message Source (Ctrl-U)" while offline, because it ignores any
local copy (that normal reading will use) and tries to look at the
server. (This proven by disconnecting the whole computer, while
Thunderbird thinks it is still online and getting a "cannot connect"
message instead of a 'blank' source.)
I doubt I'll be doing much source viewing.
Post by Len Oil
[4] If, while still in the middle of 'synching' a group, in the midst
of "going off-line", you click on that group, it stops downloading
messages from that, and leaves you with "This message is not
available" on any remaining ones. To resolve, you need to re-open
(or re-preview) the message whilst Thunderbird is (knowingly) online
again, it downloads permanently and all is sorted.
I'll try to bear that in mind, too.
Post by Len Oil
[5] The absolutely most annoying habit is that it treats the ABP
download completely different from the AFP one. Despite being exactly
the same in all settings I have checked (including "Don't delete any
messages" in the Retention Policy for the group, it /still/ manages to
perma-delete, and disavow all knowledge of, any message that has been
marked read and then disappears from the online tree (change to new
group and back, or even collapse the thread that it is buried within
and then expand once more).
Eurgh. Oh well, I won't be doing a lot of backtracking. I barely have
time to keep up with the new messages.
Post by Len Oil
[6] The editor has a funny little quirk. You expect that when you
cursor beyond the end of the visible part of the pane that it scrolls
the extra line(s) it needs to. But sometimes there are 'points' in
the document[7] where a sudden scroll can occur (quite
disconcertingly) without any need to.
I tend to do manual line breaks anyway.
Post by Len Oil
[7] In this one, somewhere in the "not-going-offline" mentioned in the
penultimate non-footnote paragraph, also "plugins" in the first
footnote. The former seemed to (generally) want to scroll when there
are less than six lines above it when you cursor (forwards) through
it, while it is near the top, the latter created a lot more space
below when scrolling up through it (and it was near the bottom). Though
it's hard to duplicate. Lengthening this message seems to
have removed this behaviour...
Thanks.

Geoff
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Nigel Stapley
2007-09-29 12:13:50 UTC
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Post by Geoff Field
I've just installed Thunderbird. How the heck do I
make it stop asking me if I want to subscribe to
alt.fan.pratchett?
I keep hitting "Yes", then it shows ALL the messages
in the group as new. When I hit "No" it shows nothing.
Is there a better client? (Yes, I know this has been asked
before, but part of my attempts to get OE working properly
caused all messages to be lost.)
Geoff, try deleting the news server account and setting it up again.
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Geoff Field
2007-09-29 19:44:57 UTC
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Post by Nigel Stapley
Post by Geoff Field
I've just installed Thunderbird. How the heck do I
make it stop asking me if I want to subscribe to
alt.fan.pratchett?
I keep hitting "Yes", then it shows ALL the messages
in the group as new. When I hit "No" it shows nothing.
Is there a better client? (Yes, I know this has been asked
before, but part of my attempts to get OE working properly
caused all messages to be lost.)
Geoff, try deleting the news server account and setting it up again.
Thanks Nigel. When I did that I discovered that I had multiple
accounts set up. Deleted the lot. Seems a lot better now.

I just have to catch up on OE now.

Geoff
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Thomas Zahr
2007-09-29 13:26:11 UTC
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Geoff Field posted:

...
Post by Geoff Field
Is there a better client?
Xnews, http://Xnews.newsguy.com
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Thomas =:-)
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Geoff Field
2007-09-29 19:53:55 UTC
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Post by Thomas Zahr
...
Post by Geoff Field
Is there a better client?
Xnews, http://Xnews.newsguy.com
Got it (yesterday). Tried it. It seems OK. I'll compare
the three tools for a while, I think.

Thanks Thomas,

Geoff
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David Chapman
2007-09-29 15:44:53 UTC
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Post by Geoff Field
I've just installed Thunderbird. How the heck do I
make it stop asking me if I want to subscribe to
alt.fan.pratchett?
Uninstall Thunderbird.
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